In research much can be gained. “Seek that you may find” !!!!
The purpose of opening these posts with a view of the self-righteous man in action (“Nacaea or nice-to-see-ya”), is truly directed at grounding each of us to our fallen potential, such as that a stiff-necked Israel proved… That within His given abilities, humility may be kept – the right mindset to build on.
Here we will be posting a question once a month (with bolded search hints) that we may grow in YHWH’s Will not ours: Good seeking to you :o)
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Now let’s get started!!! May YH be blessed in all our works!
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Posted Mar 5, 2013 1:12 PM
QUESTION FOR MARCH:
1. After the Counsel of Nicaea Eusebius was killed?
Posted Mar 11, 2013 6:07 PM
1. After the Counsel of Nacaea Eusebius was killed?
A short introduction to Eusebius’s non-trinitarian theology, one opposed by many, and sadly one he would recant for majority rule, one much of Christianity now follows – Trinity… the Nicene Creed of 325 AD’s Counsel of Nicaea.
Source: http://skepticism.org…
“While bishop of Caesarea, Eusebius agreed with Arius about whether Jesus was really divine or simply the http://www.youtube.co… (Source in link) “greatest of all creatures.” Eventually, however, he recanted and adopted the Nicene Creed. That saves him from being branded a heretic permanently, but it doesn’t entirely save his reputation or the many works of his which will be lost.”
A summary:
No one truly knows if Eusebius was murdered, but what history does tell us is that zealous defenders of Trinity were dead-set on unifying the evolving church with this theology… The point here is this, he and those that stood with him proved the Trinitarian point of view was not the only one, a view which is tied to cultural norms of Alexandria – Egypt, a point of view that today is considered by many the only definition of YhShua’s relationship to the Father. Another fact is how Egyptian theology was closely tied to Greek mythology with similar relationships among their deities whose names were interchangeable, this in contrast to Eusebius who came from the very territories where YhShua’s appostles were known to frequent; an important note.
The Non-Trinitarian Point of View
“Eusebius'” “was presumably born in the town which he lived most of his adult life, Caesarea Maritima.[3] He was baptized and instructed in the city,[4] and lived in Palestine in 296,”… “According to the Acts of the Apostles, Caesarea was first introduced to Christianity when Peter the apostle baptized Cornelius the Centurion, his household, and his soldiers.[11] This was the first time any Apostle had preached to the Gentiles and before Paul’s first missionary journey. The Apostle Paul sought refuge there, [12]” Source: http://en.wikipedia.o… .
In contrast to 1st century culture in Alexandria, Egypt; the trinitarian Point of View:
“In the 4th century BC, Egypt became a Hellenistic kingdom under the Ptolemaic dynasty (305–30 BC), which assumed the pharaonic role, maintaining the traditional religion and building or rebuilding many temples. The kingdom’s Greek ruling class identified the Egyptian deities with their own.[127] From this cross-cultural syncretism emerged Serapis, a god who combined Osiris and Apis with characteristics of Greek deities, and who became very popular among the Greek population. Nevertheless, for the most part the two belief systems remained separate, and the Egyptian deities remained Egyptian.[128] Ptolemaic-era beliefs changed little after Egypt became a province of the Roman Empire in 30 BC, ”
What the comparison (Bolded) above shows is how Eusebius, defender of non-Trinity, comes from a culture that was influenced by YHShua’s missionary work, while proponents of Trinity, such as Alexander / Athanasius (& others), come from areas that were heavily influenced by triune (Trinitarian type) deities, Ie; Alexandria Egypt.
When looking to History, we can better define the root of the cause!!!!
May YH be blessed in all humility.
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Posted by Mary Mar 12, 2013 6:09 PM
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I have to admit, this is brain bending to me and it takes me a while to cognitively process the information correctly. I have to read, re-read, and re-read again. Still trying to get past my understanding barriers in regard to if Yahushua ever truly tried to educate His followers with a trinity type concept, be it all three are equal but different, or differ in authority degrees only, or what. I am working on it….
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Posted Mar 16, 2013 12:38 AM
Shabbat Shalom
I agree, it is very confusing, but I have good news, a fuller explanation coming up in our Shabbat meeting If you have questions remaining then we can address them through the posts. There is something to say about what was is, to paraphrase Solomon (Ecclesiastes 1:10), 10: “Does anything exist of which one may say: ‘See this, it is new’? It has already had existence for time indefinite; what has come into existence is from time prior to us”.
Thank you for your post and hang in there, I think you will find the history I will share informative. May YH be blessed in all our works, in YhShua, Amein.
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Posted by Mary Mar 17, 2013 6:20 PM
I did not expect to come away from the Shabbat meeting with understanding in regard to the trinity. If denominations have been struggling to define and explain it for the last two thousand years, why should I expect to understand it?!
I recognize and tremendously value the preparation you put into the lesson. Something that I thought was an insurmountable mountain has been leveled. I am excited beyond excited to have been presented with the scriptures revealing His mind on the matter. I praise YHWH for His gracious intervention and for ‘flipping the switch’ on my understanding. Thank you, Ramiro, for your personal investment of study and prayer time, and presenting the WORD of Yah carefully. I cannot wait to share what I learned with my friends and family.
Edited by Mary on Mar 17, 2013 6:21 PM
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Posted Mar 18, 2013 4:18 PM
Awesome dear friend, it is an absolute blessing to know the presentation helped you find closure on this matter. As I think you can see, this is what YhShua meant by seeking that we may find… understanding what YH means must prove to not be defined by religion, even more, by man… His Word and our history suffices. May YHWH always be blessed in all our steps!!! HalleluYH!!! in YhShua, Amein.
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Posted Apr 6, 2013 9:41 PM
QUESTION FOR APRIL:
WHY DON’T WE CALL YHSHUA (JESUS) BY THE NAME EMMANUEL? HINT, ISAIAH AND MATHEW SEEM TO AGREE THIS IS OUR MESSIAH’S NAME!!!
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Posted by Mary Apr 13, 2013 1:15 PM
Possibly because Emmanuel (or Immanuel) which means YH (or Yah) is with us, was the title/role He had while on earth but when He left to go back to the Father, He was no longer “with” us and the name no longer applied. However, YHSHUA (or Yahushua) which means YH’s (or Yah’s) Salvation, still applies. Just a guess.
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Posted Apr 15, 2013 3:34 PM
Awesome Mary, let me try to expand a little more on what the name (title) entails.
When conducting and online Bible search for the word Emmanuel, Isaiah and Mathew come up to clarify what Emmanuel is. In Isaiah Emmanuel is used to identify a title, as you said, “Elohim’s is-with-us”, (g-d [Elohim] is with us) in modern Bibles. In Isaiah we can see Hezekiah, the 12th King of Judah (out of 19 Kings – after Solomon) is referred to as Emmanuel, for it is he that YHWH, Elohim’s Word, uses to reestablish His Words’ rightful place among Judah, called a second reaching out to Israel; this occurs after North Israel (19 Kings of Israel) end their reign in disaster, that for about 400 years they were warned by the prophets (the first reaching out) to follow YHWH, the Word, but did not!!! This lead Assyria against them, at which time their Kingdom is dismantled, they were taken from YHWH’s (the Word’s) presence and protection: They fell away from it.
A second mention of the title Emmanuel is in Mathew, yet there YHShua is Emmanuel. You hit the proverbial nail on the head Mary, Emmanuel is an important title that tells us what Elohim is trying to teach us obedience to the Word means, it is ONLY given to two men in scripture (that I can tell) and reserved only for when the Word – YHWH is unconditionally replacing disobedience in man and through a man, such as that which King Hezekiah showed (he destroyed all temples to Baal, in all the land, and cleansed the Temple in Jerusalem) and also as our Messiah YHShua shows…. YHShua also cleansing the Temple (this time the individual man), serving to lead humanity to understand what unconditional obedience to the Father means, that as the seed of Elohim in a man’s body he proves the perfect example of obedience to the Word of Elohim and telling us what example to follow, that we too can exemplify obedience to the Father, indeed walk in YHWH – the Word (“and the Word was made flesh and it walked among us”). As you know, there can’t be YHWH – the Word if Elohim doesn’t exist, for the Word is the united agreement of the body of Elohim (Man’s salvation from self destruction) – scripturally defined as the plurality of workers (the magistrates, or great ones) that make up our Creator – YhShua as the right Hand of Same, that which is called YHWH – the Word. Hope that makes sense, if not I will try another route.
Also, you had mentioned how YHWH – the Word of Elohim is Host of Hosts? As the sentence “G-d [Elohim] is with us” entails, Elohim uses hosts to get His Word (Purpose) to us (as such, the Word YHWH is Host of hosts), this can be seen in scripture in the accounts of Elohim’s workers: Angels, Prophets, the Seers, the Judges, and the the Messiah’s (ie: Noah, Moses, Joshua, and off course YHShua!!!): What we learn from these Host’s in scripture is that the Word is with-in and with-them, and that they are obedient, in union with, Elohim’s Word – YHWH. This is the importance of the Hebrew and historic approach to seeking, that we may find… a perspective that brings into focus man’s hand in the translation of the Word (in essence marginalizing man’s input pertaining the originally recorded message of the Hosts of Elohim’s Word) the Hebrew perspective, the Bible’s roots; and as our group studies have and will continue to endeavor to point out… Awesome point to bring up!!!
Does that help? Your input is so valuable!!! I would thank you but I know in love of YHWH we need no thanks… we know we receive much more…. thank you Abba for your Love, in YhShua Amein
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Posted by Mary Apr 25, 2013 9:14 AM
Thank you, YES! You clarified and beyond!! Always, much to ponder, read, re-read and ponder some more. Understanding doesn’t always come fast or easy but it is priceless when you finally get it! Thank you for investing so much time and expounding to the degree that all visitors can glean truth and find areas of further study.
Shalom Mary :)
That His original Word opens our minds to a very unique and even richer perspective? NO DOUBT!!! :) HalleluYH!!!
It is always my pleasure to offer the Hebrew root, to the best of my ability, and I stress to the best of my ability, that we may all (me included) continue our individual capacities to seek and grow in His original message of salvation (in YHWH the Word / Wisdom of Elohim our Creator) – and what a blessing right? that we may see the doors open to things that had otherwise been obscured; the ethnocentric man (that which history proves / speaks of as today’s customs and doctrine, ie: religion – that which the original writers warned about, that of adding or taking from YHWH’s Word :)
Thank you Abba YH for sisters like Mary that are humble as we should all care to be, that we may continue to build on your body through YHShua, providing your Hebrew / Aramaic Word, that the Vail be lifted for all (YH’s Word of salvation, not man’s), Amein. May we always be about YHWH’s truth, that His Word be manifested in us, the Word – the light of the obedient child YHShua.
Ramiro
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Posted May 5, 2013 4:49 PM
QUESTIONS FOR MAY:
1. Where in scripture do we learn that YHWH is an Elohim that doesn’t change?
2. What is the most significant change seen in translations today (hint – replaced more than 6000 times):
3. What is the title that has replaced the Tetragrammaton, and where does that title come from (Hint – dated to ancient Biblical days)?
4. Where in scripture does it say that man has a right to add or take from the Word of Elohim?